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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0012181 | Legion Core | Classes - Warlock - Чернокнижник | public | 2020-09-08 21:17 | 2020-09-12 23:29 |
| Reporter | HdeTBouTanku | Assigned To | ThisMushroom | ||
| Priority | high | Severity | major | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | closed | Resolution | no change required | ||
| Summary | 0012181: Афлилок дпс, интрига, смех | ||||
| Description | Расскажите мне за близ лайк пож-та у нас на сервере, то я не до конца понял где близлайк у нас по локам. И муншарды тоже видимо генерируются как на офе. Просто весь сервер тупой скот, который дамажить не умеет на локах. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxAOPuWO9RQ 6:19 - 7:03 953 алок без бис трыней 2,25 на сотке. Без припотов и геры. 7 нестабилок и меньше двух муншардов в запасе у него не было. Кто-то из присутствующих на сервере локов даст такой дпс в 953?))) А в 970? Или в 975?)) А лучше видео пруф как вы с такими статами, бошкой и придазом дадите хотя бы 2кк на сотке) Сейчас пересяду на другой комп запилю видео своего 970+ лока, подгоню трыни,леги и статы под видос - поржем все вместе) а тестер пока видос посмотри и госту передай, пусть тоже посмотрит "То у нас все близлайк ниче корректировать не будем" | ||||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJdzCdr7Bg За качество сорян нет времени картинку красивую делать. Таймлайны пулов: 2:45; 4:53; 7:34....наслаждайтесь) |
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Sorry for writing in English. Affliction DPS is not broken. Your execution of the single target rotation is flawed. https://youtu.be/6aJdzCdr7Bg?t=45 Where is Siphon Life?? https://youtu.be/6aJdzCdr7Bg?t=88 What did you do here? You cast Unstable Affliction with dots running out https://youtu.be/6aJdzCdr7Bg?t=187 What do you do here? Why do you cast UA? You are not shard capped. You have to keep draining. https://youtu.be/6aJdzCdr7Bg?t=198 Same here You haven't understood how to play affliction single target. It's not broken on this server. You should head over to warcraftlogs and look at the top dps single target cast sequences to learn from them. |
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Sulphos come in game) in oplot and u show me how dps?)) i w8 u) |
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Write to me on Uwow or Arguswow discord (Sulphos), I can show you logs. |
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i wanna se in real life with out heroism prepots and other how u do 2kk+ on 100million in 970 lock |
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Why without heroism? Look. This is my simcraft result: SimulationCraft 735-02 for World of Warcraft 7.3.5 Live (wow build level 25901) Sulphos : 2645540 dps And these are 2 Varimathras logs. One from a russian guy, one from me. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VG7ghqD3YnLFM2fx/#fight=24 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3tkdGpry8HJaXL9q/#fight=16 As you can see, the real DPS are close to simcraft DPS, even higher in that case. |
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because on video we have 953 alock with 2.23 on 100 million with out heroism and prepots |
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Look, if you play correctly and get close to your simcraft DPS then everything is fine. And I showed you the proof. But I will comment on your video (I have seen every one of Yipz' Legion videos btw.) - He has a concordence proc at fight start - Another concordence proc before it even falls off - Berserker buff - BOTH Unstable Afflictions proc and refresh completely in the first cycle - Another UA procs and refreshes - AGAIN 2 UAs proc and refresh Man those are so many lucky good procs in his burst phase. Affliction damage can be very random, and this is why you cannot compare 2 fights. All is fine. |
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so many "lucky" i see when start talking about warlocks....owercapp shards in big puls with 3-4 agony - lucky....8 soul for artefact from start in big pull - lucky....3.5 dps in 975 alock on first boss in eyes - lucky and lucky lucky lucky lucky....but our server blizzlike |
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Affliction used to have 2 downsides that were mentioned during end of legion: 1) damage could be very random because of so many things that could proc, 2) No great burst damage compared to other classes or even destro. So yes, you always needed a bit of luck with Affliction. Also in the other ticket that was closed, where it was claimed that Agony soul shard generation is bugged, I took the time (and it took me long) to compare many Uwow and Blizz logs. I looked at 2, 3 and 7 targets. And again, there was no indication that something is bugged (regarding shard generation). You may want to have a quick look in case you didn't see it, it was closed right afterwards: http://tracker.legionbugs.com/view.php?id=11980 In general, on this server, I haven't noticed anything wrong with Affliction damage. (I'm not saying that there are no bugs, maybe there are, but I haven't noticed them, and they haven't prevented me from doing decent DPS. DPS that matches simcraft. But I have seen no proofs.) |
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There is actually one thing that I would consider worth looking into, which is the Tormented Souls generation. On this server, at the beginning of a fight I get 2 tormented souls for the first drain cycle only if I'm lucky, there's a 35% chance I'd say. Often I have only 1 tormented soul for my first drain cycle. However, looking through my old retail server videos (I kept a lot), at the beginning of a fight tormented souls seem to be going up to at least to 3 quickly and constantly. Also a couple of logs that I've looked at suggest that there might be an issue with the tormented souls generation. This is not a showstopping bug for Warlock DPS but might actually be something that can be noticed. Will create a ticket soon if I'm able to confirm this. |
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@Sulphos answer this simple question: What is more likely, there being unnoticed bugs on a PRIVATE server or there being hundreeds of bad players that have no idea how their class works, and there being no good players at all? I bet it is the former. Not only affliction, many more other specs suffer from damage loss due to uncertain bugs, it is not players' fault. Take any good player from retail that has had 99% percentiles in Antorus and ask them to perform as their main class here, no doubt there'll be confusion and uncertainty on their faces after they perform worse here than they did on retail. I certainly see the discrepancies, though cannot really put my finger on what's wrong exactly. |
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@Fr33mx feel free to look up my parses here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kult-der-verdammten/sulphos?zone=17&new=true#difficulty=4 Also I've created a bug regarding tormented souls: http://tracker.legionbugs.com/view.php?id=12186 |
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@Sulphos I am not doubting your competency here, just pointing out that there are many other things that might and will go wrong. As a Fire mage player myself I see the differences in dps numbers, though what I know about the spec seems to be working okay-ish, byf there are major general bugs that are still present and they affect player's performance a lot. Like my recent bug report that nobody somehow noticed is a bug at all. There is a huge section of code that works incorrectly and cannot be fixed at once as it is a complicated matter and there's no information about it. There are huge major bugs that I know of right now and they affect player's performance, but those are super complex and I've no idea how it should play out in every scenario so I'm not even gonna bother reporting that. Just saying, there are bugs, they harm the classes, denying it is silly. |
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@Fr33mx I understand this completely, there are bugs. A private server can never be 100% blizzlike. However, people cannot just pick a random video from youtube where a lot of random procs lead to above-average DPS and compare it with a video where you, in addition to missing random procs, also make horrific mistakes that show that you haven't understood the theory behind the talents and skills. I don't want to make the thread starter feel bad by pointing this out again, but it needs to be said, because it's not helping. The reason for bad DPS is in many cases the player, not a catastrophic bug that messes up the class, even if there can be. More helpful would have been to, for example, analyze Fatal Echoes procs or stuff like that where you will in fact have proofs in the end (just an example, not too sure where these procs show in the log) |
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Здравствуйте. К сожалению, должен закрыть эту тему. Так как в ней нет указания на какой либо конкретный баф. А только абстрактное сравнение того как у нас и как на офе, при этом не прожимая все точно так же как на офе (банально смотрим на видео). Составляйте предметные репорты. Где отдельная проблема - отдельный репорт. С нормальными пруфами. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2020-09-08 21:17 | HdeTBouTanku | New Issue | |
| 2020-09-08 21:17 | HdeTBouTanku | Status | new => assigned |
| 2020-09-08 21:17 | HdeTBouTanku | Assigned To | => ThisMushroom |
| 2020-09-08 22:00 | HdeTBouTanku | Note Added: 0035741 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:20 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035749 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:33 | HdeTBouTanku | Note Added: 0035751 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:38 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035753 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:42 | HdeTBouTanku | Note Added: 0035756 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:47 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035757 | |
| 2020-09-08 22:54 | HdeTBouTanku | Note Added: 0035759 | |
| 2020-09-08 23:06 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035761 | |
| 2020-09-08 23:36 | HdeTBouTanku | Note Added: 0035762 | |
| 2020-09-09 00:11 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035764 | |
| 2020-09-09 01:50 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035771 | |
| 2020-09-09 12:34 | Fr33mx | Note Added: 0035777 | |
| 2020-09-09 13:04 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035779 | |
| 2020-09-09 14:11 | Fr33mx | Note Added: 0035785 | |
| 2020-09-09 14:43 | Sulphos | Note Added: 0035789 | |
| 2020-09-12 23:26 | ThisMushroom | Status | assigned => acknowledged |
| 2020-09-12 23:29 | ThisMushroom | Note Added: 0035904 | |
| 2020-09-12 23:29 | ThisMushroom | Status | acknowledged => closed |
| 2020-09-12 23:29 | ThisMushroom | Resolution | open => no change required |
